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0:00 [Music]
0:03 what is this the right
0:06 spot that's what he told me I mean this
0:08 is the address he gave me I don't know
0:11 let's go see if we can find
0:16 Matt what the
0:22 heck am I in the right spot where am I
0:37 man
0:38 Perry what the where am
0:42 I what is that what is this place
0:46 welcome home yeah this doesn't look like
0:48 a home although it does look really cool
0:52 okay so this is where the Story begins
0:54 with navigate communities here in
0:56 Birmingham Alabama we got a really good
0:58 build show for you guys Matt is going to
1:00 navigate us through the world of
1:03 affordable housing in this town that
1:05 really needs it we took a tour earlier
1:07 we saw all kinds of stuff from some
1:10 gorgeous brand new houses that are
1:11 solving the problem to some really some
1:14 houses that needed some help they needed
1:15 some serious love so Matt's going to be
1:18 our tour guide on this video to show you
1:20 what they're doing that I think
1:22 literally you can rip the page right out
1:24 of their book and do in your community
1:26 for affordable Workforce housing and not
1:29 just in housing housing that's efficient
1:32 durable comfortable and really wellb
1:35 built today's build show from Birmingham
1:37 Alabama Matt and I are going to talk you
1:39 through it let's get
1:44 going all right Matt can you give us a
1:47 quick background who is navigate
1:49 communities sure so navigate communities
1:51 is a is an a subsidiary of navigate
1:53 affordable housing Partners we're
1:55 headquartered in Birmingham and the role
1:57 of navigate communities is we're in the
1:59 business of Community Development um so
2:01 we help communities Revitalize and
2:04 stabilize um we focus on education we
2:06 focus on housing we focus on catalytic
2:09 development um so all of those things
2:11 are in the toolbox for how do we help
2:13 struggling recoverable communities how
2:16 do we get them back on the stable
2:17 footing yeah and on my Drive-In here I
2:20 saw gosh there's a lot of need in this
2:21 community right I mean we saw houses
2:23 that look like they' been on fire burned
2:26 out houses we saw a lot of empty lots uh
2:29 we just saw houses that needed help
2:31 right you know this is not too different
2:33 than a lot of communities in America I
2:34 grew up in Pittsburgh right uh in the
2:36 north side of Pittsburgh where I worked
2:37 a lot as a high school student had a lot
2:39 of houses like this so what is navigate
2:42 doing though to make a difference and a
2:44 change here in this community so we're
2:46 really working with the community to
2:48 help help rebuild um again our focus is
2:50 housing so that's where we start 30% of
2:53 our neighborhood is vacant Lots burned
2:55 out buildings so how do we start to
2:56 overcome that so that's what this
2:58 program is this program is how do we do
2:59 new construction and challenged
3:01 neighborhoods and do it affordably so
3:03 that the community can benefit so we
3:05 published a video just recently where we
3:07 talked about your community we didn't
3:09 spend a ton of time on y'all but
3:10 basically those extreme panel houses you
3:12 saw that were 1,400 Square ft being
3:15 built very quickly navigates basically
3:17 the the owner of that of that project
3:20 right right those were four homes that
3:21 were all the exact same basically
3:23 footprint uh that Marshall the architect
3:26 design and and what are you doing with
3:28 this you're it seems to me like you got
3:30 lots of pilot programs that you're
3:31 trying to figure out uh the best system
3:34 the most affordable system am I am I on
3:36 to something here yeah no that's exactly
3:37 right so we we talked about the scale of
3:39 the pro problem I mean 30% of our
3:41 community is vacant Lots yeah the
3:43 solution is not going to be custom stick
3:45 built um that's a great alternative but
3:47 it's not going to work in our
3:48 communities um so we have to come up
3:50 with something that's scalable that we
3:52 can rapidly deploy um but also benefits
3:55 the community and that's why we're
3:57 really heavy into the structural at
4:00 panel so that gives me a really tight
4:02 envelope I can have it dried in in a day
4:04 two days I have a lock on my door but
4:07 really that's going to allow us to start
4:09 working in the community and this isn't
4:10 the first path we went down uh we went
4:13 down volumetric modular we had
4:15 challenges there we even tried stick
4:17 Built construction and we just ran into
4:19 the same challenges over and over again
4:20 with with skilled labor with contractors
4:23 that don't show up with builds that
4:24 should have taken 90 days taking 300
4:27 days um so we're really trying to
4:29 internalize the whole program and it
4:31 starts with the panel um but you'll see
4:33 as we go that it's all about
4:34 standardization of our components how do
4:36 we rapidly deploy these in these
4:38 challenging neighborhoods and speaking
4:40 of components and panels here's some
4:41 extreme panels right here is this part
4:43 of a house that you're that you're
4:45 storing to get out to that job site yeah
4:47 what you're looking in these bundles
4:48 right here is this is a complete house
4:50 package from extreme okay so this is the
4:52 full package I'm guessing the thicker
4:54 panels here are roof panels correct and
4:56 probably wall panels here correct and
4:58 your architect design these in a way
5:01 that uh they would go together
5:03 relatively quickly and easily I also
5:05 really liked on the site that they have
5:07 overhangs they have front porches uh
5:10 they're not just an ugly box right these
5:12 these have some architectural detail to
5:14 them but yet they go together incredibly
5:17 quickly we saw in the other video that
5:18 man you're putting these things up in
5:19 two or 3 days and you're getting to
5:21 trades and you're ready for the drywall
5:24 phase in a couple of weeks yeah right so
5:25 we really worked with extreme to
5:27 maximize the benefit of the panel so our
5:29 walls are 24 ft long that's the that's
5:31 the the section of our wall so we stack
5:33 a couple of those together and all of a
5:34 sudden my my whole exterior is done then
5:36 we fly in the roof panels and now I'm
5:37 dried in so what we're seeing on site is
5:40 we're at the drywall stage in 14 days of
5:42 construction oh my gosh so that's just
5:44 something we can't do with with
5:46 traditional stick buil construction so
5:47 help us understand you know when I when
5:49 I normally think of affordable housing I
5:51 sure don't think high performance I
5:53 don't think about houses that are
5:54 incredibly airtight and houses that have
5:57 conditioned attic spaces and mini splits
5:59 what's the benefit for for thinking
6:02 about an affordable house in particular
6:04 Workforce housing to have it be a really
6:06 high performance house so we actually
6:07 started we we didn't start off looking
6:09 to build a super high performing house
6:11 that wasn't our metric our metric was to
6:13 make these houses affordable so when you
6:16 look at your overall carrying cost for a
6:18 house you've got your mortgage youve got
6:19 your insurance you got your taxes but
6:21 then you also have your operating cost
6:22 you got your power bill your water bill
6:24 your sewer bill um so those are the
6:26 things we could really impact the most
6:28 um we can't build cheaply and we
6:30 shouldn't build cheaply um cuz we're
6:32 putting families in these houses so the
6:34 thing that we can control is I can give
6:36 you a better house that performs better
6:39 so that money is going into your pocket
6:41 instead of the utility companies help me
6:43 to explain that or break that down to an
6:45 an individual you know your July power
6:47 bill comes uh and it's been really hot
6:50 here today in Birmingham it's 100° uh I
6:54 suspect if you have a leak air leaky
6:56 house of course you're going to have
6:58 probably some mold growth on the inside
6:59 is not particularly healthy you also
7:01 might have a $600 power what does that
7:03 mean for a homeowner yeah so what we're
7:05 seeing is you know we're working in a
7:07 community that was constructed before
7:08 there was central air conditioning so a
7:10 lot of our families are having three
7:11 four five six window units just to keep
7:14 their house comfortable in the
7:15 summertime and it's barely even keeping
7:16 up yeah um so we're seeing you know the
7:18 economic shock of a $4 $500 power bill
7:21 in our in our in our residents when they
7:24 just don't have the disposable income to
7:25 to pay for that so if we can use a high
7:28 performance shell in home home and we
7:30 can start stabilizing those those energy
7:33 bills a the tenant or the homeowner can
7:35 afford more house B that Equity is going
7:39 into their pocket and see they don't
7:40 have these economic shocks that happen
7:42 in July and August where they have to
7:44 decide do I pay my car note or do I pay
7:46 the power bill and that's really the
7:48 reality of of the the families we're
7:49 dealing with is making those tough
7:51 decisions that's incredible I mean that
7:52 makes total sense when you think about
7:53 it right you know if you've uh got
7:56 budgeted or you expecting a $250 bill
7:59 all of a sudden a $500 bill comes you
8:01 got make choices that's a really big
8:03 deal uh and for a family on on that kind
8:05 of income level when we talk about
8:07 $1,000 over the course of the year or I
8:10 think actually the number was higher
8:11 saved $1,500 savings with $1,500 savings
8:14 that's a really big deal you know think
8:16 about a family that's making 253 $40,000
8:19 per year that's real dollars in their
8:21 pocket and that's really a trip to the
8:23 grocery store at 200 250 bucks yeah
8:25 right that they're that they're saving
8:27 on their electric and power bills so
8:29 interesting I on the channel you know
8:31 I've been shooting videos all over for
8:33 many years I always get ribbed on you
8:36 know only rich people afford that but in
8:39 fact you're taking what I think of as
8:42 just really good High Performance
8:44 Construction you're doing it very
8:45 affordably right right and these are the
8:47 tenants and the homeowners that need
8:49 that high performance home yeah right
8:51 it's not the Super Elite that you know
8:53 brag about their power bill we are
8:55 bringing existing technology existing
8:57 building practices that typically have
8:59 been in that high performance Custom
9:01 home build and we're bringing it down to
9:02 an affordable level that anybody can
9:04 have the same performance in their house
9:06 y with a little bit of of forethought
9:09 and a little bit of help from technology
9:11 that already exists in the marketplace
9:13 yeah now we tease people on this
9:15 building give us a quick uh 40 on on
9:17 this building I mean this was such a
9:19 pretty building to pull up to you right
9:21 uh how old is this building so this
9:23 building goes back to 1890 from what we
9:25 can tell it was probably built before
9:27 that and the interesting thing is that
9:28 predates all of downtown Birmingham so
9:31 this is older than Birmingham D um it
9:33 was connected to a steel foundry behind
9:36 the property yeah this was a steel town
9:38 in that day right steel Town yeah so
9:39 they received the Billet uh steel and
9:41 they actually milled train Wheels in
9:43 this in this building um and now it's
9:46 being repurposed to your staging right
9:48 and are you guys doing anything besides
9:49 storing panels in here yeah so in this
9:51 building we're just uh receiving panels
9:53 um we have the ability to get the
9:54 tractor trailer in so we're doing
9:56 everything dry so these panels never see
9:58 water that's amazing um and then in the
10:00 factory behind us and we'll go over
10:02 there that um that's where we're doing a
10:03 lot of our interior work let's go uh
10:06 check out the next Factory next
10:09 door what wow Matt check this out am I
10:15 seeing framed walls back there you're
10:17 seeing framed walls so this is really
10:19 phase two of what we're working on so
10:22 this is all of our interior guts um we
10:26 are inventorying everything 100% until
10:28 we go vertical on the site wow so
10:30 everything that it takes to build a
10:31 house like I'm seeing four ranges behind
10:34 me see I'm seeing Tu buys that are
10:36 probably sealing Joys yeah absolutely we
10:38 got our bathtubs over here we got all of
10:40 our interior doors ready to go whoa
10:43 everything's stocked and ready so in
10:44 other words you don't start on that slab
10:47 putting those extreme panels up until
10:48 you know there's no delays that's right
10:50 yeah we can't afford lead times we can't
10:52 afford run into the to the hardware
10:54 store to pick up what we we forgot about
10:57 so everything the contractor needs is in
10:58 here and helps us a buy and bulk y um
11:01 and B everything is just ready to grab
11:03 and go that's fantastic even your
11:05 shingles for the roofer out here and and
11:08 how much of Josh's crew on site uh is
11:12 doing let's say the Hardy plank package
11:15 I'm seeing here or the shingles things
11:16 like that yeah so they're doing all of
11:18 that on site um they have a couple guys
11:20 in here that pre-frame the walls um all
11:22 of our sighting is pre-cut so we're
11:24 doing board and Baton so all of that can
11:25 be pre-cut in the factory so when we get
11:27 on site we're not building we're
11:30 assembling it feels to me like you
11:32 you've got a better Mouse strap than the
11:34 Sears and robot catalog right I mean
11:35 that's that's the gold standard right we
11:37 can't compete with that but um I think
11:39 you're a little higher performance in
11:41 those houses too though probably but I
11:42 mean this is not new construction what
11:44 we're doing here um like you said Sears
11:46 and robu did this in the early 20s so
11:48 we're just modeling that again again
11:51 it's all about standardization offsite
11:53 construction so that when I'm on site
11:55 we're just sticking pieces together so
11:57 the first thing I see in here or the
11:59 first thing I think of is speed right
12:01 what does that mean for you in terms of
12:03 affordable housing how does speed help
12:04 you so one great example is all of our
12:06 interior walls um so we had the framing
12:09 crew in here for three days and they
12:11 framed all the interior walls for four
12:13 houses wow in three days dang um because
12:15 everything they're doing the ex the same
12:17 thing over and over again so they get
12:19 faster and faster and faster as they go
12:21 and now all of my interior wall panels
12:22 are ready to go to site and then we're
12:24 setting the whole inside of a house in 2
12:26 or three hours compared to speed for you
12:28 means less cost on the bottom line uh
12:31 you know for me as as a as a contractor
12:33 I also think you know if I can build
12:35 that house twice as fast I'm going to
12:37 make more money on the build than if I'm
12:39 than if I'm half as right plus as a
12:42 homeowner like when I was building my
12:44 house those carrying costs were adding
12:45 up every month uh and so if you only had
12:49 45 days of carrying cost let's say for a
12:51 construction loan that's a whole lot
12:53 less than if that house took four months
12:55 to BU yeah absolutely and then the waste
12:56 reduction so all of our panels are
12:58 interior wall panels are based on a a a
13:00 four system yeah so we take a 12T stick
13:03 and I can cut that at 8ft and I have a
13:05 4ft and now I have a 4ft wall so
13:06 everything is using all of our off cuts
13:09 to maximize what we're what we're doing
13:11 here because everything I throw in the
13:13 dumpster I paid for that yeah and that's
13:15 what we got to minimize that's really
13:16 cool let's go to the job site uh so we
13:19 can see how the crew is doing on those
13:21 and I want to I want to take a tour of
13:23 the houses that a little bit further of
13:26 construction and one thing that we want
13:27 to pay attention is how could we
13:29 replicate some of this we want get some
13:31 advice from you on that so we'll see you
13:32 back at the job site all right Matt
13:34 we're at the job site can you kind of
13:36 explain what we got going on here yeah
13:38 so we've got three houses under
13:39 construction almost simultaneously the
13:41 one we did this morning um that's the
13:43 the the newest one and that's where we
13:45 got the panels up the other two houses
13:47 are basically a week behind each other
13:50 as far as staging goes but you see we're
13:52 almost uh dried in on this one got the
13:54 almost got the roof on so amazingly fast
13:56 in fact we published a video on this one
13:58 with Perry from extreme panel but what's
14:01 cool is you got three in a row in
14:02 different stages so let's actually walk
14:04 down and we can talk about the metrics
14:07 while we give a quick tour of this next
14:09 one cuz this one shockingly has only
14:12 been under construction for what like
14:13 two weeks now is that right yeah so this
14:15 first this this this one is on day eight
14:17 of construction post lab so we got the
14:20 sit panel on and then we pre-staged all
14:23 the framed interior walls in here so as
14:25 soon as we got the roof panels on we can
14:26 get the framing crew in here to to set
14:28 those wall panels and then right behind
14:30 that is my mechanical and my my
14:32 electrical coming in super fast that's
14:35 really cool y now while we're in here
14:37 though talk to me about the metrics of
14:39 this project you know we're saying this
14:40 is Affordable right what does that look
14:42 like what does that mean for you guys so
14:44 we really focus on affordable housing
14:46 isn't cheap housing because the worst
14:48 thing we can do for a homeowner is put
14:50 them in a house that's going to fall
14:51 apart that's going to require M
14:52 long-term maintenance systems break that
14:55 kind of thing so providing a really
14:57 durable house is afford ability you
14:59 don't have to come in here and fix
15:01 anything the second layer to that is
15:03 giving them the highest performing house
15:05 that we we can so now again the energy
15:07 bills are low so that means you're
15:09 putting that back into the equity of the
15:10 house that's really good so those are
15:12 the two big things we talk about in
15:13 affordability in terms of how this
15:15 Stacks up against each other it is more
15:17 expensive to build with SIP but it's
15:19 marginal on the on the total build I've
15:22 heard that it's about 10% more compared
15:23 to stick framing right so we drove by a
15:26 couple houses that you guys built three
15:28 that looked pretty much the same
15:29 different colors same flooor land two
15:32 were extreme panel sips houses one was
15:34 stick buil what insights can you give us
15:36 on that yeah so we really did that so
15:38 the stick was the control in that kind
15:40 of prototype and really we were looking
15:42 at cost of construction we were looking
15:43 at uh speed of construction we also look
15:45 into performance energy performance on
15:47 that and what we found is the two uh sip
15:50 houses were about 10% overall more
15:52 expensive to build than the stick house
15:55 but when you factor in the cost of
15:56 energy the the Sip house was actually 3%
15:59 cheaper to own than the stick bu house
16:01 how about that all in meeting
16:05 mortgage that so when our consumer when
16:08 our home buyer is looking for it it's
16:10 not necessarily the construction cost
16:11 that they're really looking at it's
16:12 what's my monthly payment right the
16:14 total and with the sit pass what we can
16:15 say is this is what your mortgage and
16:17 insurance will be and this is what your
16:18 energy bill will be and that's a
16:20 consistent through the year because of
16:22 the performance of the structure yeah
16:23 that's huge what a big difference so
16:25 they know what they're walking into and
16:27 so where do you think these houses will
16:29 land in terms of overall dollars so
16:32 we're looking at a new uh delivery of
16:35 our HVAC that I think is really really
16:37 interesting so these are probably going
16:39 to be a lot more higher performing than
16:41 the ones we did last summer yeah these
16:43 are a little bit bigger units these are
16:44 three bedrooms were the ones we did last
16:46 year at two-bedroom okay um so our
16:47 construction cost is higher but um you
16:50 know for what you get for your dollar
16:51 you really can't can't beat this system
16:53 yeah amazing very cool I think that Lisa
16:56 was on site somewhere yeah uh let's see
16:59 if we can grab her and talk about the
17:01 why yeah Absol hey there she is Lisa how
17:04 are you good to see you to thanks for
17:06 having us uh out to your job site
17:08 absolutely So Lisa you're the CEO of
17:10 navigate communities I'd like to know
17:12 from straight from the top of the
17:14 pyramid yes from the horse's mouth what
17:16 what's the why on on this project uh why
17:20 on this project in nearly everything we
17:22 do is Mission driven it's fair and equal
17:25 access to housing and it plays out in a
17:27 number of ways but in this instance it's
17:30 about creating housing that regular
17:32 Working Families can afford and that
17:35 will be uh sustainable won't hurt the
17:38 community won't hurt the environment as
17:40 much as some of the other traditional
17:42 method construction methods might yeah
17:44 for sure give me a give me a sense for
17:47 the for the scope of the work ahead like
17:49 is this something that navigate could
17:52 solve in Birmingham or around the nation
17:55 or do we need other people to uh to help
17:57 in this problem Oh my
17:59 um we would like to make great efforts
18:02 to work towards solving it can we solve
18:04 it for Birmingham we're certainly going
18:06 to try but we always welcome other
18:09 partners and other brains towards
18:12 resolving this it took us more than one
18:13 or two years to get to a a a you know a
18:17 loss of affordable housing it's going to
18:19 take more than one or two years to pull
18:21 out of that but particularly when you're
18:24 talking about a reuse and a reimagining
18:27 of of existing Construction methods
18:29 we're not charting new course in the
18:31 types of construction methods but we are
18:33 charting new course in the application
18:35 of those methods particularly in that
18:37 affordable context right right so all
18:40 minds are welcome who would be the ideal
18:42 people to contact y'all uh who might you
18:46 might be willing to share this
18:47 information with whether it's plans and
18:49 specs or uh or whatever you guys have
18:52 gathered sure I would say uh other
18:54 like-minded nonprofits other
18:57 municipalities you know uh particularly
18:59 some of our smaller cities when you get
19:01 into some of the more rural areas and
19:03 they don't have the resources that you
19:05 might find in you know a more urban area
19:08 so any of those players and then
19:09 certainly our government partners
19:11 because they can always bring and I mean
19:13 federal government partners because they
19:15 can always bring things to bear that we
19:17 can't afford or maybe not can think of
19:20 you know using to you know to improve
19:23 the project I love that you guys have
19:25 been doing this pilot program figuring
19:27 out what's the best methods what what's
19:28 the best materials what's the best Min
19:31 split system to use you know how do we
19:33 heat and cool these houses efficiently I
19:35 think there's so much to like here both
19:37 from as a as a builder but also as a
19:39 community member to see the great work
19:41 you guys are doing is there any
19:43 resources or links that you guys can
19:45 provide that we could put in the
19:46 description for uh for navigate in
19:47 particular or these these projects in
19:49 particular oh yeah sure we've got our
19:51 our uh navigate community's website
19:54 we've got a goldw war heights.com which
19:57 is the little subdivision working in uh
20:00 and that is out there uh and then you
20:02 can always contact myself or Matt to
20:05 just ask questions about well what are
20:07 you guys out there doing yeah love it
20:08 we're always available thanks so much
20:10 Lisa I appreciate your time so much good
20:12 to see you to see uh before we leave you
20:14 Matt let's finish up a tour on this one
20:16 and then let's go check out the drywall
20:18 house before we end the video absolutely
20:20 tell me about some of the design
20:21 decisions you guys made that played into
20:24 being able to build these affordably
20:26 like was that 8ft ceiling a a decision
20:29 or what how did that come yeah so one
20:31 thing we really worked with was with the
20:33 the panel manufacturer um the largest
20:36 panel they can manufacture is an 8X 24
20:38 so if we can maximize that panel on site
20:41 that's the quickest way to build it and
20:42 it's the cheapest way to build it so our
20:44 exterior walls minus the gables are all
20:46 8T um interior walls and that allows us
20:49 to do a 24t wall section so really these
20:52 two walls are really I think they're 2
20:53 and 1/2 panels deep oh that's great um
20:56 and then the width of it is really three
20:58 panels stacked and each panel is 8T so
21:00 that's really setting my 24t interior
21:02 Dimension so the exterior box is really
21:05 driven by optimizing panel efficiency
21:08 yeah that makes a lot of sense and then
21:10 once that exterior shell that we can see
21:11 is that's OSB is in place that's when
21:13 your crew then came and took these
21:16 pre-framed walls that you even
21:18 pre-drilled right uh and dropped those
21:20 into place shot them down to the
21:23 concrete and boom this house went
21:24 together super fast I mean basically did
21:26 the interior framing in less than a day
21:28 right beauty is because we're using this
21:30 this structural panel all of my interior
21:32 walls are are non-load bearing they can
21:34 really go anywhere we want them to go in
21:36 the structure maybe they're hanging the
21:37 ceiling joist and that's about it right
21:39 that's it yeah you got this the attic
21:40 load on there so by optimizing our our
21:43 wall panels we talked about this in the
21:44 factory that all my panels are a a
21:46 function of four so I have 12ft bedrooms
21:48 I have 8ft closets um it's all just
21:51 stacked on top of each other and that
21:53 all works within the exterior framework
21:55 of the panel these bedrooms are nice
21:56 size too really you got two bedrooms
21:58 back to back right here uh this was the
22:00 kitchen that we walked through you've
22:02 got uh laundry room space here hall bath
22:05 space and then we get the uh primary
22:08 bedroom master bedroom back here that's
22:10 a little bit bigger with a nice walk-in
22:12 closet right I mean this is a really
22:14 nice house there's a lot in here yeah so
22:16 in the affordable space the idea is to
22:18 go cheap and the way you go cheap is to
22:20 build smaller but what we found is a lot
22:22 of the dumb spaces the bedrooms the
22:25 living rooms it doesn't cost a whole lot
22:26 more money to have a decent Siz living
22:28 living room bedroom whatever so our
22:31 minimum bedroom Dimension is 12 by 12
22:33 and that's just our standard design our
22:35 Master is 12 by 15 the walk-in closet I
22:38 want that in my house I don't even have
22:39 that in my house that's a nice walk-in
22:41 closet um so yeah it's all those
22:42 livability things that we're really
22:44 trying to build into the design of the
22:46 the system that we're putting down on
22:47 the ground what do you think the market
22:49 price on this will end up being one well
22:51 we're in a recovering Community um so we
22:53 always got to keep that in mind and we
22:55 don't put anything on the market that's
22:57 unaffordable to the to the homeowners
23:00 we're trying to serve um in our area
23:02 we're trying to serve a demographic
23:04 between 80 and 120% Ami okay um so for
23:08 this Market this house is probably going
23:09 to be priced about that 215 to 225 it's
23:13 pretty reasonable I think so yeah it's
23:15 very reasonable and the thing I love
23:17 about it is it's a super efficient I
23:19 mean I bet you're blowing blower door
23:21 scores near passive house on these yeah
23:23 so the two we did last summer we got 79
23:25 on our blower door fantastic um which we
23:28 even try so we're paying attention on
23:30 this one and my goal is to get that
23:32 below 79 that's fantastic yeah and uh a
23:36 really good hbac system fresh air
23:39 dehumidifier I mean these these are all
23:41 the check boxes people think for a a
23:43 luxury custom home but in fact we're
23:45 building an an excellent well-built
23:47 house at a really reasonable price and
23:49 that's one of the things we're trying to
23:50 do is that the high-end performance
23:52 house taking everything we've learned in
23:55 that space and applying it to this this
23:57 house that is afford
23:59 yeah um there's really no barriers in
24:00 stopping somebody from taking what's
24:02 already been done and applying it in
24:04 this kind of method I love it I love it
24:06 now Lisa mentioned it a little but but
24:08 uh would you even like give plans or
24:11 give uh Gant charts or whatever to to
24:14 people that are wanting to do this in
24:15 their Town yeah so we we love to work
24:17 with
24:18 municipalities um we do a lot of work in
24:21 that space and we think they're an
24:22 instrument for change yeah um there's a
24:24 lot of nonprofits that focus on the soft
24:27 side of around Services the home
24:29 ownership counseling um getting out of
24:32 debt that kind of thing they have
24:34 housing as a critical Mission but they
24:35 lack capacity to put that on the ground
24:38 right um that's a big barrier in our
24:39 community for getting housing on the
24:41 ground um so what we want to do is
24:43 partner with those agencies to take the
24:46 building responsibility off of them
24:48 which they're typically not staffed to
24:50 do sure and let them function on their
24:52 other services while we provide good
24:54 quality decent housing man we're rooting
24:56 for you dude let's make this happen so
24:58 good really appreciate the amazing tour
25:01 what a beautiful City Birmingham I've
25:04 really enjoyed this we'll put links to
25:06 navigate and everything we talked about
25:08 that we can in the description below and
25:10 big thanks to extreme panel for getting
25:12 me out here to see what they've been
25:13 doing navigate as we mentioned this is
25:15 the second big project that navigates
25:17 done with extreme panel and seeing these
25:20 houses come together it really gets my
25:22 juic is thinking gosh this is a really
25:24 good way to build at a very reasonable
25:27 price uh and crazy that this is the same
25:30 type of construction that luxury and
25:33 affordable is happening at the same time
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